hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. in just a few moments president biden will make two major announcements in the historic push to get america vaccinated. president biden will ask all states to move of the deadline by two weeks. and had he'll announce that 150 million shots having administered blowing past his first goal of 100 million in the first 100 days, putting america on tech to hit the goal of 200 million in 100 days. the president's remarks will begin any moment now. the accelerating pace of vac nations and the progress that it

represents in the fight against covid is now running up against the thread posed by a republican party dead set on opposing public health measures and dead set on whitewashing its own failures during the first year of the pandemic. it's lead to go scenes like this, more than 38,000 people packed into a stadium for the texas rangers home opener. it was the first american sporting event without attendance restrictions just weeks after governor abbott ordered texas to fully reopen. dr. fauci is once again warning against loosening restrictions too fast. there's always the concern, when you pull back on methods particularly things like indoor dining and bars that are crowded, you can see a delay and all of a sudden tick back up. we've been fooled before by situations where people begin to

open up, nothing happens and all of a sudden several weeks later, things start exploding on you. we have to be careful we don't prematurely judge that. >> as we reported yesterday, dr. fauci has become the target of a vicious campaign from the right to make him a scapegoat. with the last guy's many stunning failures regarding the covid response. in an op-ed in "the washington post" -- on the whole, we've been healthier when we listened to the experts, and sicker when we did not. this is the context in this the maga right has chosen to make anthony fauci the villain in their hallucinogenic version of history. met forkly, but only barely, there's a body on the floor with

multiple stab wounds. the trump administration stands beside it with a bloody knife in its hand. it not only claims it's innocent, but claims there is no blood, there is no body, there's no floor, but here's what the crime scene actually looks like, without the elaborate work of the gop fog machine. more than 560,000 americans lives have been lost, warnings about a devastating pandemic were ignored for months. attempts to down play the pandemic. baseless claims by trump for months on end, the virus would, poof, magically disappear. the emergence of quack-a-doo solutions. and super-spreader events held everywhere from the white house to swing states all across the country in the run-up to the

election. add all of this, the admission by deborah birx that hundreds of thousands of deaths were preventable, and a.b. stoddard a calling for an vehicles. stoddard writes -- the american public cannot be left to wonder house birx, and mark meadows, and mike pence, and alex azar and every other one of the officials who was party to the greatest governmental failure in a surge have i stayed silent while so many lives were lost. the gop is a barrier to progress against covid is where we begin. a.b. stoddard is here, associate editor and columnist for real clear politics and author of the piece we just quoted. olivia troy, top aide to mike pence, now the director of the

republican accountability project. and medical contributor dr. could vita patel is here, a former obama white house medical officer. we're waiting for the president's remarks on covid and on vaccinations. i want to start there with you, dr. patel. we are making such extraordinary for the first time in the world progress, in terms of the rate at this we're vaccinating our public, but it's still a race against time. i asked lori garrett this question yesterday, how do you, with your expert perspective balance those two buckets of headlines? >> good to be with you, nicolle, and briefly. i know we'll have the president talk about this goals that we'll hopefully beat. about half our country will have received a first or second shot by the end of this week most likely, but nicolle, the other flip side, half our country hasn't.

we're seeing younger people with covid, and they're getting hospitalized. why? because this is what the virus does. so no the at the rate of a 65-year-old, but it doesn't mean it's zero. if you can hold on just a little longer, the vaccination pace is unprecedented. i have to say the transition from the trump administration to biden cost us, just for the lack of information. imagine if we could have had transition information, those supply manufacturing issues, nicolle, we could have been talking about vaccinating 300 million if we had had the governments working together. so the balance is that hope is here now but you need to hold on time and urge people around you to get vaccinated. it's opening up around the country, it's not as easy to get an appointment, so get someone to help you. talk to someone if you have

hesitancy or questions, and do it today. >> a.b., dr. patel allude to do it now they voter restrictions laws based on said lie, he could have had a different final act if he can worked on vaccine production. it may not have ever been in his nature to do so, to have cared about the country during the covid but your call for an independent mission is one that olivia and i have talked about before. talk about what the birx confession. >> also interesting to see her say, that after 100,000 deaths,

the rest of them, which is 80% of them, were avoidable. 100,000 deaths we reached last may, we all sat together on this program sick with despair and terrorized about what the government was forcefully, intentionally not doing to stop the spread of the virus. as to top the processes, to politicize science, to destroy the pib's trust in public health expertise. so it's fine to give these interviews as people walk off to the next chapter of their careers. dr. redfield in the same set of interviews was talking about the health and human services secretary corrupting and doctors -- requesting him to

doctor cdc, the morbidity and mortality reports. we have to know everything that happened. there will be another novel coronavirus epidemic, and the country needs to heal in its faith and trust in science, and the government being competent. donald trump talked to bob woodward, you'll recall, february 7th, he knew exactly how airborne it was. they're complicit. we have to make sure if we ever have another mad man leading the government, that we can stop this. >> we've been given a one-minute

warning for the president's stepping up. i guess to the question who knew what when, where do you start? >> i think there's a lot of people involved in the situation, and i certainly would be cooperating in any way i could, because i am invested in making sure it doesn't ever happen again. and that we learn from it. there's a lot of lessons to be learned on what happens when you have a person in charge and a bench of enablers who make it hard for subject-matter experts to actually work on responses or things like that that are doctors who have trained their entire lives for this moment. and what happens when politics derails that purely on selfishness and negligence. >> we are waiting for the president's remarks.

the press secretary said today the president will officially announce we have reached 150 vaccines. here is the president. let's listen. >> good afternoon, everyone. i just visited a vaccination clinic in virginia, the virginia theological seminary in alexandria, virginia. the seminary and other houses are worship are partnering with the community health departments, and seeing these partnerships, we're seeing them all over the country. people are coming together across different faiths to service those most in need with special focus on vaccinating seniors from all races, backgrounds and walks of life. it's an example of america at

its finest, what pope francis calls the moral obligation, get vaccinated, he went on to say it could save your life and the lives of others. i was there to mark an important milestone as well. yesterday we crossed 150 million shots in 75 days, the first 75 days of my administration. on our way to hitting the goal of 200 million shots by the 100th day in office. that, of course, is the new goal. doing it in just 58 days. at the time some said 100 million shots was too ambitious, then they had it wasn't ambitious enough. if we could raise it up higher, i would do it as well, but we know what we have to do. ramp up an approach that rallies

the whole country and puts us on a we footing to truly beat this virus. that's what we've been doing, getting enough vaccine supply, mobilizing more vac na vaccinatd we're now averages 3 million shots per day, over 20 million shots per week. on saturday alone, we reported more than 4 million shots were administered. we're the first country to administration 150 million shots and the first country to fully vaccinate over 62 million people. but here's the deal. i promised an update to the american people every 50 millionth shot. i'm already back up to update you a little over 2 1/2 weeks later. i promised the straight coop, the good and the bad. here's the truth. the good news is we're on track to beat our goal of 200 million

shots in the first 100 days. more than 75% of the meme over the age of 65 have gotten shots, up from 8% when we took office. that's a dramatic turnaround and critical. seniors account for 80% of all covid deaths. to help support my goal by my 100 day in office, i directed states in early march to make educators and children -- childcare workers eligible for vaccines. to get a goal of getting all who wanted a vaccination to have one and do it in the month of march. i'm pleased to report, according to cdc estimates, over 80% of teachers, school staff and childcare workers received at least one shot by the end of march. that's great progress,

protecting our educators, or essential workers. bought our vaccine program is in overdrive, we're making it easy to get a vaccination shot. last week i announced that by april 19th of this month, 90% of all americans will be within five miles of a vaccination site. further good news is that we're going more and more data on just how effective the vaccines are. dr. fauci recently cited two studies from the "new england journal of medicine" that found fully vaccinated healthcare workers on the front lines had extremely low infection rates, less than two tenths of 1%. so we're making incredible process. there's a lot of good news, but there's also some bad news. new variants of the virus are

spreading and moving quickly. cases are going back up. hospitalizations are no longer declining, while deaths are still down, way down from january, they're going up in some places. everybody is asking, what does that mean? i understand that people may find it confusing, the vaccination programs is saving tens of thousands of live, but the pandemic remains dangerous. let me explain it in a single word -- time. time. even moving at the record speed we're moving at we're not even halfway through vac nating over 300 million americans. it takes weeks from the time you get your first one until you're able to get your second shot, which makes you fully protected.

if you get your first shot in my april, you won't be fully protected until late may. if you get your first shot in mid may, you aren't fully protected undulate june. look, now, on the one hand, june isn't that far away, given how long this has been going on, but it isn't here yet either. so the virus is spreading because we have too many people who have seen the end in sight, think we're at the finish line already. let me be deadly earnest with you. we aren't at the finish line. we still have work to do. under we get more people vac nate we need everyone to wash their hands, socially distance and mask up in a recommended mask from the cdc. think about it this way.

better times are ahead. as i've said before, we can have a safe happy fourth of july, with your family and friends, in small groups in the backyard. the real question is, how much death, disease and misery will we see between now and then? in january, just the month of january we lost 95,774 americans. in march that was 37,172 americans. all told -- i keep doing this i know, but i carry this card, with my schedule and on the back a covid updates. total number of deaths to day in the united states is 554,064 dead. that's lives that having lost.

what we do now can determine how many people we'll save or lose in the month of april, may and june before we get to july 4th. so please, until we're further along in this accelerating successful, but still growing, vaccination evidence, please wash your hands. practice social distancing. wear a mask as recommended by the cdc. get vaccinated when it's your turn. i'm asking the american people to do their job, here's what i'm doing. when we first started or vaccination program, the question was how quickly we could get shots in people's arms. well, by the end of may, the vast majority of adult americans will have gotten at least their first shot.

that's success. that's suck that will save lives and get this country back to normal sooner, but it's not enough. on march 11th, i announced i was opening up all vaccination sites to all adults by may 1st. many governors, democrats and republicans, responded and decided to beat that date, which was good. thanks to their hard work and hard work of the american people, and the hard work of my team, i'm announcing today that we're moving that date up from may 1st to april 19th nationwide. that means by no later than april 19th, in every part of this country every adult over the age of 18, 18 or older will be eligible to be vaccinated. no more confusing rules. no more confusing restrictions. my message today is a simple

one. many states have already opened up, but beginning april 19th, every adult in every state, every adult is eligible to get in line to get a covid vaccination. today, in advance of that new national full eligibility date i want to make a direct appeal to our seniors and whoever cares about them. while we have made incredible progress vaccinating three quarters of our seniors and putting sites within five miles of 90% of the public, it still isn't enough. it's simple. seniors, it's time to get vaccinated. get vaccinated now, to make it easier my administer is sending aid to community groups to drive seniors to vaccination sites. we're incredibly grateful to the

volunteers, houses of worship and civic groups helping us in this effort. this is america. we take care of one another. we have to keep it up. as we ask seniors to sign up, i also have a message for people under 65. if you know someone over 65, who has not gotten this life-saving vaccine, call them now. work with them to get their shots this week or next. pick them up, drive them. it could be your parents, grandparents, aunt, uncle, neighbors finally, even after we open up vaccination to all adults and put a site within five miles of 90% of the public, we know many people still struggle to get access. we know there are a number of seniors and people with disability, and people in many

communities of color who may be isolated and lack access. that's why we're deploying more mobile understand and pop-up clinics that's why we're working with faith-based organization. sign people up for appointments. get help. help them get their appointments. that's why we're sending even more vaccines to community health centers that altogether serve nearly 30 million americans, like the ones i visited today. two thirds of the patients at community health centers live at or below the poverty level. 60% are racial and ethnic minorities. to reach them we're verying nearly $10 billion to extend

testing, treatment and vaccination for the hardest hit and most underserved communities. let me end within. the vaccines have proven to be safe and effective. that should give us real hope, but it could -- we can't let it make us complacent. i want every american to know in no uncertain terms this fight isn't over. this progress we have worked so hard to achieve can be reversed. now is not the time to let down. now is not the time to celebrate. it's time to do what we do best as a country, do our duty, our jobs, taking care of one another. we can't let up now. my hope is before the summer is over, i'm talking to you all

about how we have even access to more vaccines than we need to take care of every american, and we're helping other poor countries, countries around the word that don't have the money, the time, the expertise. until this vaccine is available to the world and we're beating back the virus in other countries, we're not really completely safe. so we have made great progress. i'm still looking forward to the prospect that if we keep the pa is we're on, listen to one another, take the precautions i talked about, we'll have an independence day on july 4th, as i defined about three weeks ago. i want an independence day, independence from covid, so you're ability to get in the backyard with a small group of

people, and celebrate independence day, because you've been vaccinated, because you're safe, because you're in the . may god bless you all and may got protect our troops. . >> i'll report on that later. >> reporter: do you think the master should be moved out of georgia? >> i think that's up to the masters. look, you know it is reassuring to see that for-profit operations and businesses are speaking up about how these new jim crow laws are just antithey cal to who we are. the other side is when they in

fact move out of georgia, the people who need the help the most, the people who are making hourly wages sometimes do hurt the most. i think it's a very tough decision for a corporation to make or a group to make, but i respect them when they make that judgment. i support whatever judgment they make. the best way to deal with this is for georgia and other states to smarten up. stop it. stop it. it's about giving people the right to vote. >> reporter: mr. president, despite -- there are many americans who are very reluctant to take the vaccine, especially in red states. why the white house hasn't used a more forceful campaign like advertisement on television, for example, to convince americans to take that vaccine? >> we are doing that. by the way, the number people who are reluctant, continuing to

diminish across the country. as they see their neighbors, particularly in communities that having -- now, there's a different group of people. there's a group of people who have been reluctant because of past -- how can i say it -- past wrongs that have been done to them. experimentation, not sure they're going told the truth, et cetera, but then there's another group, it seems to me, to be -- i probably shouldn't characterize it, but mitch mcconnell keeps speaking to him, which i give him credit for. he says the polls data that republican men, particular young men, don't think they have to take the vaccine. it's their patriotic right to do it, and he's saying, no, no, take the vaccine. i'll ade a phrase he didn't, but i think he believes. it's a patriotic ability he has.

last question. >> reporter: have you spoken to jay powell yet? >> i have not. i am not -- look, i think the federal reserve is an independent operation, and starting off my presidency, i want to be real clear that i'm not going to do the things that have been done in the last administration, either talking to the attorney general about who his's going to prosecutor or not prosecutor, and under what circumstances, or the fed, telling them what they should or shouldn't do. even though that wouldn't be the basis i would be talk to go them. so i have been very for a cityius. >> reporter: you mentioned 554,000 dead, a lot of families want to know how this happened, how it got here. have you had a chance to speak to any of your international partners? president xi? who i know you go way back with.

have you had a chance to ask him about the reports that maybe china misled the world? >> no, i haven't had that conversation with president xi. thank you. president biden marking the milestone of 150 million vaccinations, advancing the goal by two weeks of opening eligibility for all americans to april 19th, for all states to increase eligibility. but he made news on other fronds. he was asked a question, and the white house press corps making the most of their time there he was asked about companies pulling out of georgia, about the broader topic of boycotts 689 his message to georgia was to, quote, stop it. he said he threw his support behind groups. it sounded like he was trying to

encompass major league baseball and companies. he was also asked about hesitancy and a sharp are message campaign, something we have spoken to dr. patel, and then he singled mitch mcconnell out for praise. he said he keeps speaking to them. and he said mcmcconnell doesn't say this, but the message is it's a patriotic thing to get vaccinated. on this topic of vaccine hesitancy, i think once supply, and we should say it's a huge accomplishment that we should not be talking about a lack -- but the next phase for this white house will likely be the pockets of vaccine resistance. i'm sure if we probed all the people in our lives, that we could find people who are scared about the vaccine.

what do you make of how aggressively they're moving to go and bring cameras with them to showcase shots going in arms and aggressively push to independence day. >> we always need to do more. i'm already flooded by what facebook and social media group that as propagated so much misinformation, that to overcome it, it could just be done in my office or even in a clinic or hospital setting. we need a lot more communication around vaccines and what's been promised and has been delivered. no deaths. it prevents deaths, but we also -- we have not acknowledged the health literacy. language. i'm still trying to translate from english to spanish, and that's unacceptable. i would love to see, like all

prescriptions, something targeted for the solutions we need. i do think the president knows this and is alluding to this, and he's plagues kind of like a chicken games with the states who are distracting us to say no passport, no this. we needs to get into parts of florida, michigan, massachusetts, with people are saying no way, and by the way that's a lot of healthcare workers saying, no, i don't want to get the vaccine. i hope he can execute on it. >> when is someone in the republican party going to rise up against those whose speech and language and selection of debates are still killing people? choosing to have a debate about vaccine passports in all states it's such flagrant hypocrisy, it

would be funny if it didn't have such consequences. >> i think they're looking for a new boogeyman, which is definitely dr. fauci, and then leaning into the fights over lockdowns and freedoms, which will help ron desantis run for president in 2024. it's also part of the culture war, that the government is out to oppress people and they're going to lock you down. you'll be forced to have a vaccine and have a passport and that's just the first step of taking over your whole lives. they're fighting a bit now over the price tag of the infrastructure bill after letting donald trump spend whatever he wanted, but you can

see they're grasping for fronts in the political wars and they're not going to drop this. >> the war against science, if someone were to parachute down here and wonder what the most sort of destructive force on our planet is, and they landed in this country, they might look at the republicans. to me it feels arbitrary. this war against covid science, olivia, is something you saw up close and personal. a new study finds covid spikes after nfl games with fans. new research submitted to the scientific journal "the lance et" in late march suggested there was a link to large numbers of fans.

i want to put up the picture in texas of the home opener for the rangers. and, you think back to the trump rallies, just the first one in july and tulsa, left behind literal carnage. donald trump's inauguration had that eerie line, donald trump left carnage in the form of spikes and infections everywhere he traveled. olivia, how do we push against in tide? >> well, there were some words that struck me as president biden just spoke. that was the mobile obligation to get the vaccine. moral obligation to get the vaccine. people are neglecting their moral obligation to protect their constituents. these leaders, these republican leaders should be doing more

outreach, should be doing more advocacy, putting their petty politics aside and working with the biden administration, because weally benefit from it as a country. this is where, i will say the trump administration and many republican enablers failed profusely, where they failed at that obligation and failed to protect lives. they have an opportunity know. i now they're in a hurry to open up. they've been in a hurry since last april. but if they had just listened to the science, we would not be in the situation we're in. i think governor abbott was part of that group that opened texas. he saw those spikes happen, but it's time to take a pause, take a step back and do some introspecs, because these are lives. this isn't petty politics.

you can argue about baseball, talk about corporations. all of that aside, human life matters. >> just to olivia's point, human life matters, what a great campaign for the host of fox news. i was thinking today when i was jogging, what if they had a campaign that every anchor, sean hannity, tucker carlson with jabs in their arms. it would save lives. >> we were talking about instead of picking on brian williams, why not set an example yourself? we were all very proud in health care to roll up our sleeves. we cried. we knew it would be the key to normalcy. nicolle, it doesn't matter who you are, just the act of talking about it and reassuring maybe somebody who is a little nervous, a little hesitant, doesn't want a needle that's so

big, hearing how easy it is for them can be reassuring. instead frankly we're all tired of the distraction and deflection. >> thank you all for starting us off on this important conversation. when we come back, the battle over voting rights. the pressure in texas building, as well as corporate to not head down the same path as georgia. what is being done to protect the right to vote in texas right now. we'll talk about that next. later, the latest out of minneapolis in the murder trial of derek chauvin, with more expert testimony about use of force. all those stories and more when "deadline: white house" after a quick break. don't go anywhere. hite house" a quick break.

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there's a brand-new front in the fight for voting rights this week -- texas. plenty of similarities to what's been going on in georgia. the state legislature is currently considering a series of bills, ostensibly having to do do with, air quotes, election integrity. some of the proposed measures elementing hour, banning local election officials from

proactively sending vote by mail applications, implementing new rules for how voters can be assisted, and expanding access for partisan poll watchers. just as we saw in georgia, major american companies facing extraordinary pressure, you are stepping up in protest. american airlines along with dell recently declared that are opposition to the new restrictions, which activists say would make it harder for non-white americans to vote. matthew daoud joins us, and kimberly atkins. matt, let me just ask you for the benefit of our viewers, any evidence that there was widespread or cyst mattic voter fraud in texas? >> i think he now the answer to that question, which is a definite no. >> was there any evidence of

fraud in texas from vote by mail or early access to early voting? i mean, were there any stories that i miss as a national level that there was widespread voter fraud that happened? >> no. the attorney general of texas, who is under indictment, investigation anyway, for his own cases of fraud, spent millions and i think found 17 instances out of over 11 millions votes cast. he found not 70 or 170,000, but 17 people, and the one time on your show a few weeks ago, i made note of the fact we have 1500 cases of voter fraud in the last 50 years and there's been 1.5 million cases of gun violence. texas stat -- 17 cases broadband investigated in 2020. nearly 4,000 people in texas

died from gun violence. 17 under investigation, and a little less than 4,000 deaths by gun violence. this has nothing to do with what the facts are. it has nothing to do with what the data says. another thing about texas, and i've worked on texas campaigns ever since 1985, here on bod sides. even before this, texas has had a problematic system of voting, which is we've we have ranked in the lowest ten in the country in voter turnout. even with the historic turnout in 2020, where more people went to the polls than ever before, we still ranked in the bottom ten of turnout in the country. in my view, one, there's not voter fraud. two, if they wanted to do something to improve, they ought to make it easier for people in texas to vote, if we want to get up from the bottom ten to the top ten, we ought to make it easier for people to vote.

>> matt, neither of us have spent much time in the corporate sphere, but why are companies simply looking at the pie this big, and whether or not they'll oppose or stay quiet seems to be the pendulum. why isn't there energy behind these huge companies to do what you just articulated, we're not just going to block laws based on a lie, because we're not going to be bullied by republicans. you can't cancel every employer in the country, but why not get involved in an effort to be the solutions, to be forward-minded and say my customers will like me the most not just by stopping bad from happening, but if i try to help something good happen? >> i don't think companies have adopted to the 21st century. i think it's good that some companies are finally taking some stand, even if it's just

reactive but companies have always been scared of their own shadow. they have always tried to work behind the scenes and what is in the best interests of their shareholders. i find it farcical that mitch mcconnell said companies could stay out of politics, but keep sending in contributions. in every single run for the united states, he claimed endorsements from corporations and businesses when he ran. so the gop's strategy is we'll welcome corporate support and welcome their advocacy until the point of time it conflicts with in the end what is a huge lie. but companies have to step up to the idea that their company is not defined by whether customers buy a whataburger or fly on an airline on buy a dell computer.

consumers are looking at companies, whether or not they stand for the same values that they do. nike seems to understand this. a very successful company, that there's a value proposition that people want to feel they're aligned with values that they feel like represent who they are as human beings. voting rights is definitely a value proposition. to me it's a layup to come out and push for greater voter access and equity. the biggest problem in texas voting today, if you want to ask anybody who studied it is an inequitable distribution of voting precincts, and short lines in wealthier precincts or short lines in rural area. that's the biggest problem in texas. >> in an admirable thing about texas, they say it outloud. kim atkins, mark mckinnon did an

interview and basically articulated what mad just said. why don't you make it easier? welt, because more people would vote. i want to read you end of his covid remarks and he said this, quote, it is reassuring to see that for-profit operations and businesses are speaking up about how these new jim crow laws are antithetical to who we are. the president creating some space for companies to go through this process and land on the side opposing what, in the president's words, are jim crow laws. this does feel like a new front where neither party is really in control of what these companies do. they're making the calculations that matt dowd just delineated. >> i think it's an indication of how far we've come. boycotts have been a tool for civil rights since martin luther

king and the freedom riders used them decades ago. what we're seeing that's different now, even more than a few years ago when the black lives matter movement started and other demands of civil rights and equality started, you're seeing more people. it's not just black folks that are pulling out this stuff, calling for the boycotts. you're seeing the black lives matter movement and other civil rights movements gain popularity and support from outside that community. these companies, i take what was said, that they want to reflect their values, but they also want to reflect their bottom lines. if they see that there is broad support for expanding access to voting, that people are seeing exactly what is happening here, and that by supporting and continuing in these states may cost them on their bottom lines. it's basically the marketplace

of ideas and the free market in the private sector. free market is something republicans used to tout as a value, and now, until it's moving against them in their really bare political calculation, they realize right now they're not winning on ideas. the only way they can win is by keeping the other side from voting and making it hard. that's what all of this is about. >> you have to understand that companies hire from staffs like mitch mcconnell's and his democratic counterparts. they know exactly where public opinion is on all these issues you're talking about, kim. the reason that after george floyd was killed by derek chauvin last summer that every company -- you could not buy laundry deter tent without finding out the maker's mission statement on equal. you could not download a meditation -- every company in the world affirmed their commitment to equality. to be in line with the racial

reckoning. the point is support for the aims of black lives matter moved 30% between the time it was first in the news during president obama's administration and when george floyd was killed at the hands of police. i wonder -- i want to read you some of what markel lie yas said from democracy docket. corporate america has gotten in line with voter registration because they so marketing and economic opportunities. same can be said for the fight against voter suppression laws. if corporations really believe in protecting the right to vote, now is the time for them to show it. americans have many ways to have their voices heard, at the ballot box and with their wallets. following the lead of voting rights advocates in georgia and texas can show companies there's a right side to be on in the fight against voter suppression even after election day, and it pays to be on it. >> the success of sort of this movement seems to be that. there's a right side and

alongside. i wonder, kim, if you think there's sort of a dam-breaking moment happening here. >> i think so. i think we saw that particularly with the efforts that were made in the 2020 election to ensure that people in the middle of a pandemic in an election of the century were able to have access to votes. think about it. i pay attention to fashion. i was looking on sites and there were people selling boots, t-shirts, sweatshirts, designer and luxury goods with the word "vote" on it. these companies aligned with where the pulse of the nation was, and that is why you are seeing this. it is both a good moral move for them and also a good business move for them. it's really important to see that happening right now. that's precisely why martin luther king called for boycotts. we're seeing the power of that in realtime right now. >> i'm not high fashion.

i'll give a lower-tech model. when i was little i went to the voting pre sijt with my mom. it was a virtue -- it was good to vote early in the day because you got to wear your "i voted" sticker all day long and felt virtuous. the republicans aren't just pushing in states, what they e no is a lie. they're trying to rewrite the paradigm of voting as a virtue. >> to me, i'm going to wait and see if i think this is a dam-breaking moment. i thought there have been so many moments over the last five years, well, this is a pivotal moment. whether or not this is a dam-breaking moment just like it was in civil rights is not whether activists, whether people of good conscience whops main thing is whether or not i vote will show up and respond to what's going on.

the companies will then respond in the aftermath of that. they might be doing good moves today, but i think it's totally dependent on what happens in the 2022 elections. if the republicans don't pay a price for what they're doing in state after state after state after state about taking away voting rights, the companies are going to watch that. so i think it's incumbent upon people showing up and voting, not only how their consumer choice is and what they buy is important. but in the end, politicians and companies will respond to a movement that shows up at the polls, and that's when we'll know whether this was a dam-breaking moment. >> matthew dowd, kimberly atkins, informing us and keeping me honest. grateful for both. thank you for spending time with us. much more on all of this and the hypocrisy from mitch mcconnell when it comes to his relationship with corporate america when the next hour of "deadline white house" starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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nothing before us proves illegality anywhere near the massive scale, massive scale that would have tipped the entire election. nowhere can public doubt alone justify a radical break when the doubt itself was incited without any evidence. >> the thriller in manila is about to get a run for its

money. in that corner, one man, mitch mcconnell, who more than any other person in american politics checks every political impulse, every utterance and position he takes with the interest of corporate donors. in the other corner, corporate america and major league baseball growing increasingly uncomfortable with voter restriction laws that will make it harder for customers and fans to vote. those words uttered by mitch mcconnell on january 6, that the doubt of the election was incited, quote, without evidence, that gives every ceo in america who finds herself or himself at odds suddenly with mcdonnell and the gop, some comfort, some briefing room. mcconnell in that stage giving corporations a sound bite. they can use it to protect their flanks. it's a defense they'll need after yesterday when the top republican in the senate slammed corporations that are taking a stand against georgia's new law. >> i found it completely discouraging to find a bunch of

corporate ceos getting in the middle of politics. my advice to the corporate ceo's of america is to stay out of politics, don't pick sides in these big fights. >> mcconnell put out a statement saying that companies, quote, will invite serious consequences. whoo. if they continue to speak out. he followed that up today by calling corporations responding to georgia's law, quote, stupid because, quote, republicans drink coca-cola, too and we fly and we like baseball. there is such a irony, though, to the gop war on corporations. of course, no one has fought harder for corporate dollars to have more power in american politics than, wait for it, mitch mcconnell. from the associated press, quote, the republican leader has been among the most outspoken champions of the role of big money in elections, promoting the free flow of undisclosed dollars to campaigns as a form of constitutionally protected free speech.

this is what happens, guys, when shame dies, is any sort of break on the limits of republican hypocrisy. now republicans are so mad at corporations for believing mitch mcconnell in that speech i showed you or bill barr or chris krebs or any of the georgia republicans who tested time and time again to the lack of fraud in the november election that they're sputtering school yard taunts. analysis in "the washington post" points to the lack of facts to back up the gop tantrum. quote, in georgia there is no rational motivation for the passage of its new election law other than demonstrating feelity to the false claims elevated by trump. why did raff fence burger need to be replaced on the elections board? only a few months after an election in which repeated review and extensive scrutiny

show no i'm pro priorities occurred. once you accept the obvious answer to those questions, it's awfully difficult to assume the changes in the new law were simply good faith efforts to streamline the state's election process. the lack of good faith will not stop the gop. kumar co-rubio with a letter to mlb commissioner rob manfred. i write to ask you whether you intend to maintain your membership at the augusta national golf club. as you are well aware, the exclusive members-only club is located in the state of georgia. wow, even for you rubio. the clash between republicans and businesses who used suppressing the vote as bad for the bottom line is where we start with some of our favorite reporters are here. john heilemann, host and

executive produce other of show time the circus and host of the hell and high water podcast is here. also joining us, yamiche alcindor, pbs news hour, white house correspondent and msnbc political contributor. marketing and branding expert donny deutsch is here. yamiche, i don't know whether to laugh or cry when i watch that mitch mcconnell cry baby act. companies are being mean to me. they're my friends, not their friends. what's wrong with them? >> mitch mcconnell in some ways is someone who has been known for saying one thing and saying something else in some ways, contradicting himself. what is clear is that republicans are going after these laws and trying to invoke these laws on something that is plainly a lie, something that is false which is that the 2020 election was somehow rigged or impacted by voter fraud. we know that's not true. we know that's not true because of republican secretaries of state. now, of course, republicans are having to come to face-to-face

with the idea that some of the conspiracy theory ha the voting laws are against them, that that is something that is now hurting their relationships with corporations. of course, republicans are the main ones who have had this relationship with corporations, who have talked about how important they are, and now we see republicans really having to face up to the idea that corporations are pushing back with money, with the commission of this. critics of this would say something really plainly which is republicans find it more easy to suppress the vote of black and brown americans than it is to earn their vote. that, of course, is critics of these laws saying that. there was a time when the republican party was trying to expand its base, go after his span iks and african-americans, and then after the 2020 election and they saw the success of president trump, we're seeing these laws in some 47 states to restrict voting access. it's very clear to anyone who is watching that this is really in

response to the fact that they felt like they lost the election and they want to find some way to justify how to change that to make it a little easier for republicans to get elected. >> john heilemann, hello. yamiche is being elegant here. >> hi. >> i know i don't have to worry about that with you. critics of these laws are also critics of the lie around which they're rooted. so these laws seek to solve a problem that doesn't exist. after the 2000 florida recount, jim baker and former president carter looked at voter fraud and found there isn't a lot of voter fraud in this country. i don't know the reasons why not. bill barr was the sitting ag who was all too willing to investigate allegations of fraud. he, too, said there wasn't any system mat tick voting fraud. wherever you come down on a

theoretical debate, everyone should be a critic of any legislation based on a lie. in all 108 bills in all 47 states are based and inspired by a lie. >> yeah, right. i think, nicole, we can rattle off the numbers of experts. my preferred experts in this realm is our friend ben ginsburg who worked with jim baker on the florida recount and came out last fall and said i've spent 40 years looking for, in a politically motivated way looking for voter fraud. i've got to tell you, having been a knife-wielding partisan, the leading republican election lawyer in the country, i've looked for it for 40 years and i can't find it. if ben ginsburg can't find it, it's not there. i think the reality is with these laws, we feel like we've made this point pretty consistently over the last week or so. the notion -- the evaluation of these laws on the basis of, is

there some piece of them, any given piece of the georgia law that's okay? how bad is it? which part is really bad? which part is only a little bad, which part is not bad at all, is all sort of beside the point in the sense that they're all motivated by a claim which is, we must fix the voting laws because there's widespread lack of confidence in the system. the only reason there's widespread or any lack of confidence in the system is that the former guy and his republican enablers drove this big lie, and it is a big lie. it's a big lie in every way, in terms of 2020, that the election was stolen. it's a big lie over 40 years that there's any pervasive or any meaning. or even any trivial degree of voting fraud going on in the country. so the laws are foundationally suspect, and they are, it's right to look at a foundationally suspect law. the obvious motivations are a

republican party that is on the wrong side of demography, is the minority party overwhelmingly in the national electorate and seeds the ties of demography, the way they're shifting and recognizes if they don't try to tilt the field in some way to prevent people from voting for the other side, they are going to be in a permanent minority status going forward. that's at the core of what is driving all these lies. we can get to the corporate discussion later, but i think that's the right way, the foundational framework analysis you have to bring to bear on all these laws. >> done donny, i've spent no time that's notable or gives me insight into corporate calculations in the space. you'll have to enlighten me. when you've got democrats, you've got activists, you've got the population and you've got mitch mcconnell, bill barr, chris krebs and every georgia

election official covering your flank, are these still very tough decisions for companies, or is it getting clearer? >> it's not a tough decision if you're in a mass market, if you're talking to a mass audience, and any large company is. john mentioned -- let me first promote, i was listening to the podcast this morning, john heilemann's hell or high water, a fantastic guest and was speaking very raw. nicolle wallace. >> this is the part where everybody talks about my potty mouth. thank you. >> it's a good listen. >> john mentions demography. let me go to demographics for a second. if you look at any marketing play of any corporation, the audience they want to reach is 18 to 34, 18 to 49. somebody who is past 54 years old isn't any a marketing class other than for a pharmaceutical. the audience they need to connect with, both in terms of their internal audience and

external audience, 18 to 34. where are those people? where are their views? any young millennial is looking for social conscience. it's price of entry today. i like to think most ceos -- most i've met have good hearts. they're responsible to the people who buy their stock. if they're paying attention to that, the right business decision, particularly when you come on things like racial equality, voter rights, things that are just underpinnings of our democracy, you mentioned in the show, right or wrong. the right side of an argument, they're going to go there. if you're mitch mcconnell and picking a fight with corporate america, it's a fight going forward that's going to be more and more on the losing side. >> donny, let me read this to you from "the new york times." it's a head spinning new landscape for big companies which are trying to appease democrats focused on social

justice as well as populist republicans who are suddenly unafraid to break ties with business. companies like delta are caught in the middle and face steep political consequences no matter what they do. if people feel like it's been a week of discomfort and uncertainty, it should be and needs to be. corporations have to figure out who they are in this moment. i think that is sort of the understatement of the century. i think these are laws -- the republican playbook, i know a little bit about how this goes, and on this lie and out to state legislatures where they have the greatest political partisan advantage. that's why there are 108 laws making their ways through 48 states. the playbook falls apart when it's called outment when they cross pressure their own side. this fight with corporate america, and i wonder your thoughts on whether democrats and in your view companies

cannot blink when republicans squeal like stuck pigs. what do you think? >> they can't blink. even if they want to blink, their consumers won't let them. as i said earlier, it's price for entry for young people, for companies to act a certain way, for corporate conduct. it's what they expect, what they demand. it's different from our generation. they can't blink. even if they want to, it would be bad business. forget the moral imperative. i keep going back to shareholder value. coca-cola, what are they going to say to their audience? we don't care about voters rights, we don't care about racial equality? you know the amount of money spent for neighborhood outreach and things like that? i'm not saying they're not good citizens. they're doing it because it's good business. they're not going to blink, i can brom miss you that, having spent 30, 40 years working with corporations and they'll be on the right side of things going forward. >> president biden making

remarks that suggests he's not going to blink either, describing these as jim crow laws. yamiche, watch this and talk about it on the other side. >> it was reassuring to see that for-profit operations and businesses are speaking up about how these new jim crow laws are just antithetical to who we are. there's another side to it, too. the other side to it, too, is when they, in fact, move out of georgia, the people who need the help the most, the people who are making hourly wages sometimes get hurt the most. i think it's a very tough decision for a corporation to make or a group to make, but i respect them when they make that judgment and i support whatever judgment they make. the best way to deal with it is for georgia and other states to

smarten up, stop it, stop it. >> general psaki, the press secretary, has been unsparing in her assessments of the georgia law. >> that's right. what we hear from the president is in some ways echoing what stacey abrams is talking about. she's both saying that the people can get hurt by these boycotts when the all-star game gets pulled out of georgia are the working class people who would be working in these events, who would be working in this industry, but also president biden is making it clear, the ball isn't in the court of the people who are making these decisions. the ball is really in the court of republicans, he's saying, to stop passing these laws. if i could zoom out a bit, when he talks about jim crow, let's remember the framing of this. i know a lot of it has been talking about corporations. but if we back up and zoom out, we're talking about decades and decades of african-americans and people of color in this country pushing for the right to

survive, to be part of democracy in a robust way, to have the pursuit of happiness, all the principles that america says it stands on. these laws get to the heart of that. we're having this conversation in the middle of the trial of derek chauvin and the death of george floyd. these things are connected. you can't just say black lives matter is something that becomes this mainstream phrase that's easy to say. part of black lives matter means you can't be shot by the police unjustifiably, but also that i have access to the ballot box. this is in the conversation of the country, a struggle we've had since before jim crow laws. i think if we zoom out, yes, there are decisions that these corporations are making, but there's also this idea that in this strife, this is black people in particular, especially the one whose put joe biden in the white house saying you can't

keep doing this to us, you can't keep targeting our communities and saying we're going to make it harder and harder for you to vote. that's what you hear from joe biden, apart from the fact that this is the moral right thing to do. joe biden doesn't become president if african-americans in south carolina and other states this is who we want to be our president. so there really is this kalt laos. it goes back to the very survival of black people in this country. >> john heilemann, because, of course, that is the bigger picture and of course this is about big and painful truths, the republicans are going small. let me end with jimmy kimmel with you. watch. >> with all his complaining about cancel culture, this guy tried to cancel more culture than anybody ever. if you listen to donald trump, you'd have to cancel baseball, coke, delta airlines, viacomcbs,

citigroup, sysco, ups, univision, hbo, rolling stone, starbucks, geico, goodyear, amazon, at&t, nfl, t-mobile and merck which has to be the company that makes pro peesh yeah. what are the chances that he'll give up diet coke or his bald medicine? none. but he wants you to. >> it's that simple. there's no chance that republicans will live by the canceling you're calling for, but they want you to, just to do gratuitous culture war harm. >> look, i think -- very funny by jimmy kimmel. it points to the absurdity of republicans who once upon a time, i'm not sure they do anymore, but let's pretend there's some republican intellectual, ideological set of

core convictions, they believe in the free market. that's what republicans -- what trump believes. i'm not sure he ever believed in that. let's say republicans ostensibly believe in the free market. the free market is operating. i'll the harsher than donny. most business people i know, and i know a fair number, are not particularly good people or bad people. they are profit-seeking people. they are capitalists to the core. all they are driven by, a bunch of decisions about cost-benefit. some have to do with where consumers are, some have to do with fear and legislation and regulation. they're balancing complex issues about shareholders. sometimes it means keeping regulators away. they're afraid if republicans get back into power that mitch mcconnell or others will punish them. but i think the reality here is because corporations are

effectively amoral, the notion, when you have this argument where you have republicans saying, well, we believe in the free market except for when companies do what they are determining is their best corporate interest, that if they do something we don't like, that they determine in their best corporate interest, we have no interest, we just want to make them our whipping boys to stir up the red hat wearing maga masses who are still out there ready to get mad at anybody that donald trump and his friends say they should be mad at. the cancel culture thing is intellectually bankrupt when it comes out of republicans. utterly. >> it's a great comment anti corporations. i think mitt romney said corporations are people. they're not. i think that's a cold and accurate description. but it is interesting that we've arrived at the point where donald trump's republican party is non-commercial. that does seem like a different

kind of -- the insurection and voter suppression laws. to be continued with all three of you. john heilemann, yamiche alcindor an donny deutsche, thank you for starting us off. when we come back, significant new testimony in the murder trial of derek chauvin from one of the officers who trained him. we'll bring you the latest from the courtroom today. plus a worrying new study that has one expert telling "the new york times" that the pandemic in the u.s. could be poised to last, quote, much longer than it needs to because of one huge swath of america where anti vaks sentiment seems to be spreading as fast as the virus itself, and open questions about what sparked the deadly attack at the u.s. capitol last week, one that left another police officer dead and the community reeling. all that when "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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prosecution in the murder trial of derek chauvin building their case today in terms of the argument they're making that chauvin, the forced use by chauvin against george floyd was, indeed, excessive and deadly and unauthorized by minneapolis police. when questioning the people in charge of training officers in the use of force and restraint including the lieutenant who led a crisis intervention training session that chauvin attended in 2018 and said today an unconscious neck restraint would be considered an act of aggression. >> you want to use the least amount of force necessary to meet your objectives to control. if those lower uses of force do not work, would not work or are

too unsafe to try, you can increase your level of force. >> what subject of level -- what level of subject activity would be required to use an unconscious neck restraint. >> active aggression. >> prosecutors are making the decision that someone is no longer a threat and needs help. >> if initially the goal is to arrest someone after taking information, if you determine the person needed medical attention, could you act on that? >> yes. >> what would the action be if the person was in need of medical attention? >> if someone is in need of medical attention, we give them medical attention. >> lengths bring in chuck rosenburg, eddie glaude, chair of african-american studies.

chuck, i want to ask you a smart legal. i want to start with a jury question. when you see uniform after uniform, starting with paramedics and then law enforcement official after law enforcement official after law enforcement official laying brick by brick by brick that the conduct by chauvin was not what they were trained to do, his decision making mid arrest which seems to be what the defense is trying to call into question, was not what they were trained to, not appropriate, and that the use of force was not up to him, that a supervisor needed to be called. what does a jury take, typically, from all that sort of crush of law enforcement testimony in that category? >> look, i think the prosecution has done a really good job showing that the use of force here was not just unreasonable and unauthorized but wholly unwarranted given that mr. floyd was prone, lying down on his face in the curb, with his hands

cuffed behind his back and that he lapsed into unconsciousness. that part doesn't seem hard to me. to answer your question more specifically, the jury sees that a whole bunch of cops in the minneapolis police department, i imagine, are disgusted by what officer chauvin did. they're testifying honestly and accurately, and i'm sure they don't take much pleasure in this. any good cop is going to be disgusted by what officer chauvin did. but the state has to go further. chauvin isn't charged with using unreasonable force. he's charged with murder. they also have to show not just that the use of force was unauthorized or unreasonable or excessive, but that he intended the death of george floyd. that's hard. these are, as you say, bricks in that wall, but they aren't the wall itself. they're going to have to adduce additional proof to show his intent. you can infer it from what he

did. but there may also be separate intent evidence, things he said before or after that they may be able to adduce at this trial. is that coming? i don't know, but every little bit of evidence that the state can adduce on intent helps to prove its case of murder. don't forget, he's charged with murder, not with just using unreasonable force or being a bad cop. >> i won't call this a smart legal question. is there any example of something unintentional taking 9 minutes and 20 seconds? >> that's the implication, that's the infrerchs. that's what prot can you tellers do. there's nothing reasonable about keeping your knee on someone's neck for 9 1/2 minutes, absolutely not. again, remember, what we're talking about today with these witnesses is whether or not the force was authorized, whether or not he was trained in this way,

whether or not he should have backed off, whether or not he should have deescalated. of course he should have backed off and deescalated, but that's not the underlying charge. so to your point, yes, you infer those things from what happened, but if you have direct evidence of intent as opposed to inferred evidence of intent or circumstantial evidence of intent, your case becomes strong. >> eddie glaude, i said in the last week and a half that we've been covering the trial, that my way understanding this is as someone who served on a jury. i've never covered a trial and i don't know that the country has ever really witnessed what seems like just clear and flagrant depravity caught on video camera. the human reaction was, from eyewitness after eyewitness, to the supervising police officer to the police chief. i wonder what your thoughts are

as you watch this case be laid out by the prosecution. >> my thoughts varied. i'm dealing with two elements of doubt, that the prosecution has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt and this commonsensical doubt, nicole, that the criminal justice system has all too often let cops off the hook when it comes to holding them accountable for black lives. so these kind of two different axes of doubt have been working in me as i've watched the trial, but today, i saw very clearly the prosecution putting in place, as chuck has laid out, its building blocks trying to make the case, but then i heard the signals that then triggered the doubt from the defense attorney. suddenly we heard excited delirium. it reminded me of the language of darren woods who killed mike brown said he felt like a 5-year-old grabbing ahold of hulk hogan, like mike brown was

a super human demon. we're hearing descriptions of george floyd and descriptions of the crowd that deepen or stir up the doubt that exists as i watch the trial. >> have you been surprised by anything? i have been surprised by the constellation, it's almost cinematic. these people just by chance happen to find themselves in this moment watching this horror. i think there's something universal about their human response. it's the thread that's pulled through all of the testimony. i hear the doubt, too, in the line of questioning from the defense. i absolutely understand what you're saying about what that stirs up. i wonder what you think of the storytelling just from the witnesses themselves. >> i think that's been powerful. from the 911 who saw the images and called a supervisor to the everyday ordinary people begging

chauvin to get his knee off -- take his knee off the neck of floyd to the young child to chris martin who had his hands on his head, kind of thinking, if only i would have just given him the $20 bill back. thinking about all these folk who feel some sense of responsibility and juxtaposing that to the image of chauvin's face that is seared in my mind. it is cinematic as you say, but it's also a kind of distilled image, nicole, of the contradictions at the heart of the country and at the heart of policing in this country. >> i want to be clear, this is a life lost and a tragic killing at the hands of derek chauvin. that's not in dispute. the legal questions are what chuck rosenburg said they were. i just meant sitting and watching that. thank you for indulging that question. up next, a warning from police in the wake of yet another deadly attack on the

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it is the most building in america because it's the seat of our democracy. if that building and the people in it don't function, we no longer have democracy. whatever price we have to pay to protect it, we need to do it. now it's time for congress to work the plan. we gave them the plan. we worked hard to give it to

them. now they've got to work to make that plan come through. that's called a supplemental, because the police in the capitol deserve this. our nation deserves it, and those families who lost loved ones deserve it. we need to up our game in support of the capitol police. >> truer words. lieutenant general russell on ray honore after yet another deadly attack. officer william evans was killed after a car rammed into a barricade at a capitol entrance friday afternoon. the 18-year veteran will lay in honor in the rotunda tuesday. the family released a statement today mourning him, quote, billy was the best father, son, brother and friend anyone could ever hope for. his death has left a gaping void in our lives that will never be filled. while family was always first,

billy had the open, welcoming personality that led him to make friends with anyone he met. he relished bringing people together and making sure everyone felt included and had a good time. billy was proud to be a united states capitol police officer. his colleagues from the north barricade were the people he spent so many hours with, and their friendship was one of the best parts of his job. let's bring into our conversation, nbc news capitol hill correspondent garrett haake and elizabeth neumann, former assistant secretary of counterterrorism and threat division with the department of homeland security, now the director of the republican accountability project. garrett, i didn't get to talk to you on friday, but i was on the air when the facts were still becoming clear. ligh ann caldwell and kasie hunt, your colleagues on that beat were with me. they spoke in raw, emotional terms in reference o the capitol hill police. tell us how they're doing today?

>> reporter: the truth of it is, they're exhausted. these capitol police officers going back prior to january 6th were undermanned, working significant overtime showers. in the aftermath of january 6th, they were incredibly crushed by the death of officer sicknick and the two other officers who took their own lives in the days after that. and then they were pushed even harder by the nature of being undermanned, protecting a bigger perimeter, bigger fence line, working longer hours. to have something like this happen which came out of the clear blue sky on friday, it was incredibly demoralizing to everybody in the capitol community, but especially the capitol police. it's a struggle for these officers. you heard from general honore, the talk about a supplemental, the idea that more help could be coming in terms of funding, hiring more officers. that's not something that can be done right away. you can't flip a switch and get

a few hundred more qualified capitol police officers on the beat. this is going to be a slog for the men and women of this department. there's no way around it. >> elizabeth, what garrett is describing i think happens in response to crisis about the way forward. it's i guess the legitimate part of the debate. what honore seems to be saying is they deserve better, and the debates don't start at the facts. let me show you the polling of what people believe are the facts. people gathered at the capitol on january 6th were mostly peaceful law abiding americans. 51% of republicans think that. about a domestic attack on the capitol, 51% of them were peaceful. the riot at the capitol was led by violent left wing protesters trying to make trump look back. 55% of republicans think violent left wing, left wing protesters were there. we've had hundreds of arrests,

none of them have been identified as violent left wing protesters. the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump, a whopping 60% of republicans think that the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump in a plot that rudy giuliani couldn't find, sydney powell, nobody could find it. 60% of republicans think it was stolen. wet can't begin the process of honoring the capitol police or making sure they don't get overrun should this happen again when we can't agree on what the problem is and what the facts are. >> it really is stunning. the only bright note i take from those polls is that the numbers have actually come down. it was around 75% republicans believe the election was stolen. so maybe we're making a little bit of headway there. the fact that in the other side of the poll you're seeing that they believe that the people on

january 6th were peaceful. the people were -- that it was the left wing insurrectionists which remarkably the fbi hasn't been able to find in over 300 arrests and indictments so far. that's really stunning. they're obviously watching their own form of news. i continue to be stunned at the lack of facts that are coming from the conservative infotainment sector. that is hugely problematic. it drives individuals to some radicalized beliefs that are based totally in deception, that they didn't believe that the election was stolen, they didn't believe antifa was running rampant, they wouldn't feel like they need to pick up arms and be violent in what they believe to perceive to be protecting their country. it's really important. i don't know how to say this any other way.

we've got to get some of these republicans to start telling the truth because we're going to see more violence. it's only a matter of time. and i don't know that we can say what happened on friday is directly connected to this. it's rather -- we are seeing a number of incidents of individuals with various paranoia in their backgrounds, maybe some mental health issues. that we were likely to see post pandemic anyway. you add to it this other political violence that is associated with donald trump and his big lie, this is too much for security forces to handle because it's inherently not a security problem. it's an epistemological problem. that's what president obama called it back in november. he said, look, this is a problem where we as a society can't discern truth from fiction. how in the world are we expecting law enforcement to solve something that's so much

bigger than their security tools can address. it's not fair to put this on them. >> one of the things that was supposed to relieve the pressure from sort of the point of conflict, garrett, was a wanted commission to follow down the path of the 9/11 commission. elizabeth joined several other national security illuminators in writing this. we are former senior national security military and elected officials who represented or served democrats, republicans or administrations of both parties. we write to encourage this congress to establish an independent and bipartisan investigation to investigate the january 6th as soult and to make recommendations to prevent future assaults and strengthen our democratic institutions. the last time i checked on this, you were sharing news of a dozen republicans who couldn't vote for any sort of medals or awards for the capitol police because

the word insurrection which is what happened that day here on planet earth was in the legislation that would have awarded them. has any of that melted away, or is that still the dynamic on capitol hill? >> reporter: the short answer is no. that is pretty much still the dynamic. the commission has gone nowhere. this has been a fascinating disappearance of an idea that when it first came forward did seem to have a lot of bipartisan support around it. after the first week when speaker pelosi started to speak about it, there was debate who would sit on the commission, how many republicans, how many democrats and who would appoint them, and how deep would their assignment go? would they be talking just about this event, political violence more broadly? the wheels just kind of came off the idea of a commission. i think you touched on it. there is i think in some corners of the republican party, not a desire to dig too deep into this. with donald trump, the former president kind of the singular figure at the head of that party, finding out too much is

politically not the direction that a number of republicans want to go with this. whether that's the kind of opposition that can be overcome through force of political will remains to be seen. i think there are a whole lot of people on that side of the aisle who are just read difficult to be done talking about january 6th. >> got matt gaetz to talk about. garrett haake, thank you for spending time with us. elizabeth, when we come back, i want to ask you about vaccine hesitancy among a group that could threaten pandemic recovery all across the country. we'll talk about what politics has to do with it next.

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as covid cases have been increasing steadily since last month, while the vaccine roll-out has been moving quickly, public health officials are warning about a potential barrier to reaching herd immunity. white evangelicals who make up 41 million americans and who largely supported donald trump in 2016 and 2020 have grown increasingly skeptical of the vaccine. in a march poll, 40% of white evangelicals said they likely wouldn't get vaccinated. many citing a mixture of religious beliefs and distrust in politics. elizabeth, i think anecdotally, this can be born out in your life if you ask a few questions, but what do we do about it?

>> yeah. nicole, this is concerning. i think the best thing to do is if you have somebody in your life which is vaccine hesitant, which i view differently than anti-vaccine, vaccine hesitant you can listen to the concerns and offer up some resources that might educate them to learn more about answering the concerns. the concern i hear the most is we just don't know enough. and some of that is true. part of working with people that are working with vaccine hesitant is not necessarily denying that their concerns are legitimate as much as also providing additional information about the risks of not getting the vaccine. but listening, as with many other topics we talked about, nicole, listening and being empathetic goes much farther than hitting somebody over the head or telling them they're an idiot. there are some good resources that are coming out from the evangelical community.

there is a guy named curtis chang that put videos together for pastors and others in the christian community to try to educate with facts to try to address some of those vaccine hesitant concerns. and then there is the other side of this, that's one that appeals to the spiritual belief of a christian, which is we are to love our neighbor as ourself. and getting your vaccine is a way in which we love others. it is a way in which we care for others, even though you might be incurring some risk yourself when you educate yourself without all of the facts. this is a good way to love others. so hopefully we can get that message across and break down some of the hesitancy. >> and for anyone listening, we do know enough they have been authorized for emergency use for the crisis that we're facing. they have all been in trials. there are no vaccines in this country which we don't know enough to authorize use by our rigorous own fda in this country.

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alike. born to immigrant parents and a working class neighborhood in brooklyn, max went on to hold senior executive positions for chemical companies in the northeast. a lover of opera, national parks and as often as possible a really good book. max was a role model in life and in love. his marriage to harriet was 72 years strong, enduring through blessings and challenges. we're so sorry to report max bass died in january after a fight with covid-19 at 92 years old. a life well-lived indeed. thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we're grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> hi, nicole. thank you for that. i want to help everyone to "the beat." we're tracking new headaches in the doj's sex crime probe.

we begin now with breaking news in day seven of the chauvin trial. prosecutors have been absolutely pummelling defendant chauvin with evidence and testimony that they say shows he used excessive force when killing george floyd. today this continued with the very experts who teach police officers how to use force and possibly when legally warranted deadly force. these police trainers taking the stand and telling the jury this was excessive force. >> based upon your rescrew of these materials and in light of the factors, what is your opinion as to the degree of force used by the defendant on mr. floyd on the date in question? >> my opinion was that the force was excessive. >> there it is. sometimes the evidence is that simple. we have heard the harrowing testimony, the personal stories. but these experts